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I consider myself Catholic. The governing bodies of the Church are in distress… as well as every major government institution.

As long as the populace is corruptable and the political leaders are corrupt - there is no form of government that won’t enslave it’s people. COVID lock downs prove this.

Should population have a true conversion to Catholicism, they will no longer be corruptible. With an incorruptible population, any Government is fine.

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Christian conservative nationalist, prefer ancap but ok with some kind of more authoritarian government if it works well (like a monarchy, a republic, sometimes in practice I’m not sure it matters as much)

so things like abortion should be criminalized, a lot of issues could be voluntarily handled or done by private institutions instead of government

The divisions between “Christians” today is a bit mind-boggling in light of this kind of vision; seems like in history there’s been mostly Catholic or orthodox countries that could try to claim to have been “Christian nations” (were there any fully protestant ones?). I’m not sure the U.S. ever really was a “Christian nation” in that the government doesn’t recognize a national religion, but it has implemented some Christian principles and could be called a “Christian nation” in that sense (as it’s contained a lot of Christians in history).

Not sure this accurately describes everything, feel free to poke and ask questions or whatever

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Christian conservative nationalist, prefer ancap but ok with some kind of more authoritarian government if it works well (like a monarchy, a republic, sometimes in practice I’m not sure it matters as much)

This is all contradictory, right… But it also isn’t…

Preferring anarcho-capitalism, but also defaulting to a more authoritarian government like a monarchy if it functions.

I am not even criticizing you because I do not think that I am that different from this.

I am still trying to puzzle together what has caused so many young men to identify as such. I think I will try to answer that in my own comment.

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J.R.R. Tolkien (Catholic LOTR author) had said he preferred “anarchy or monarchy”, it’s kind of a spin on that (see the anarcho-monarchism concept or meme).

I like the incentives in anarchy but recognize possible problems there of allowing various degeneracies. A lot of trad catholics like monarchy but it sounds possibly constrictive and anti-freedom and I don’t think it’s required that Catholics support monarchy (the French Revolution was anti-monarchist and anti-Catholic at the same time, since France was a Catholic monarchy, I think).

If the people are “good Christians” I’m not sure the form of government matters as much, as long as it’s not some kind of condemned form of government (or lack thereof) as communism is.

With ancaps we have the issue of mcnukes (an individual owning a nuclear weapon), with monarchy we have the issue of there being some kind of king who’s kind of dictatorial. It’s hard to find a perfect system, so I feel kind of whatever about it. But I’m not ok with a left-wing government that’s fine with abortion for example.

So I think ancap is best, but if we have problems with it I’m ok with there being some kind of coercive government. Kind of like if you have friends or neighbors and can be on an honor system. If it works, good. If people start abusing it, we may metaphorically have to elect an authority to enforce certain rules with force.

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Whatever a normal person was in the 90s and 2000s, before extreme ideologies came in:

No illegals, no crime, no war, no grooming, no tranny-isation of kids

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lol I like how, once upon a time, I thought Democrats in the 1990s were rather extreme weirdos for their belief in the welfare state but those guys are totally normal now considering what we are seeing.

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Those guys would be called racists and bigots for wanting police to lock up criminals

@SirAleric
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I stay away from politics, and evaluate problems as they come listening to both rationality and intuition. It’s all too tribal and senseless to me. Each faction crusades blindly against others trying to gain some temporary satisfaction, never looking to see which intrinsic morals we all share. If we look to the bare sense of right and wrong each of us has been gifted by the creator, we might gradually get something done. You can tell I’ve been reading Immanuel Kant’s work recently, haha.

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This is not a bad move. Politics can distract from more important things - like spirituality.

But it’s also important to have some kind of consistency in what you think. Political philosophies can systemize that.

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As a Christian, first and foremost, I believe that man is flawed. I also believe Christians can abide in any system… We are not obligated to believe in any very specific philosophies, but we must always believe in basic rights and dignities for man, because we are lovers of life.

I think it is the case particularly that man has certain inalienable rights, such as the right to his life, the right to speak his mind and worship his god (or to not worship), and the right to his goods more or less, without any excessive tax for the purpose of redistribution…

My ideal system is a diarchy in which there is a Judicial & Executive branch that is loyal to a Constitution that is unwilling and unable to change, and a legislature that is elected and which can propose laws, make some changes in government, but is also strictly bound to not violate the liberty of the people. So, this would be simultaneously robust & strong (with authoritarian powers in the executive branch that is loyal to the Constitution), but is also all about the individual’s God-given rights being preserved at all costs. It’s a system where the Army exists, in part, to ensure politicians do not disarm you.

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I think the reason that many Westerners have frenetic views is because they believe that our concept of liberty has been failed by democracy.

We are now simultaneously looking to authoritarian systems and even anarchistic systems in an attempt to figure out how we can restore our liberty.

The Western spirit is fundamentally libertarian on some level: it requires freedom. It’s just the characteristic of how we view the world.

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I’m a bit homeless myself.

I’ve said that I’ll be in a room full of liberals and say I must be conservative, but if I’m in a room full of conservatives I say I must be liberal.

I seek truth. For a long time there was more truth on the center left, I loved the 2000s liberals in Canada who balanced budgets and slowly expanded freedoms for people of all kinds, but these days there’s more truth on the right, since the establishment powers are over on the left trying to use that ideology to push whatever helps them.

At the moment I look super conservative in some ways, I bought a couple bibles and read it to my son every day and have a tradwife and a lot of my book is about tradition and responsibility and working hard to elevate yours lf, but even though progressivism got things totally wrong I still believe that people ought to be free to make their own decisions and as much as we can be free from prejudice, and we should try to be nice to each other.

To the people who think it’s ok to physically attack peacefully coexisting people who are minding their own business for “being a Nazi”, I’m a Nazi named Spartacus motherfucker.

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Last part of this reply is pretty awesome

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Just now:

Nine months ago:

If I have to put a label based on US-type politics I would say I am more aligned with the left than the right. But I think about things on an issue-by-issue basis and I am not always aligned with a given side. On issues such as women’s reproductive rights, LGBT rights, conservation and climate change efforts, and the green energy transition, I am very left. When it comes to international politics I am a pacifist and believe that people should be able to move more freely - I am very pro immigration anywhere. On issues such as vaccine mandates I actually aligned a bit more with the right in that I never thought the measures were reasonable, but maybe “center” is a better descriptor for my views.

Diarque
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Very glad to have someone on the left posting here… and I do say that a lot of Left Libertarians are terrific.

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On issues such as vaccine mandates I actually aligned a bit more with the right in that I never thought the measures were reasonable, but maybe “center” is a better descriptor for my views.

Welcome to the right wing Bigot. You don’t want a vaccine you get 4 times in a year and a half that doesn’t stop spread mandated for 3 year olds in day care? You are literally Hitler sacrificing grandma and must be silenced.

I used to think I was left wing, wanting socialized medicine, a woman’s right to terminate pregnancy in the first trimester but then I didn’t get vaccinated in 2019 and suddenly I’m Hitler and spend all my freetime when i’m not taking care of my family in the darkest places of the internet.

Salamander
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One of the US media’s favorite games is polarization. I don’t think in Europe it was a markedly right/left issue. There was a lot of variation in rules between countries and I did not notice a political pattern, but maybe I just don’t understand EU politics enough to see it.

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Looking deep into the reason the media all beat to the same drum that the vaccine was the only solution (Absurd to think no other medicine would help) was because they and the vaccine companies were being steered by the same investment funds. As they say, follow the money.

sj_zero
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Won’t someone thing of the poor, destitute megabiocorps?

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Im MAGA all day if u ask why ill tell u why

@SirAleric
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So you’ve got me curious, ha. Make America Great Again is a sentiment that resonates with me a lot, but Donald Trump doesn’t pluck my heart strings in the same way. What’s your take?

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It’s a nationalist populist thing, Jesse Ventura and Ron Paul got me into it, early in the Obama administration I was disappointed with what was going on, his continued war mongering in the middle East, a phony Nobel Peace Prize, plus the bush wars made me into a person who hated both sides, but those two plus random political commentary from Trump got me hooked, then the tea party movement came and I started researching what nationalism was, past mistakes of nationalism and discovered what liberal globalism was, that with Alex Jones and conspiracy theories pushed me to the right, but hey I just want cheap gas, strong borders and the swamp to be drained, Trump did that but not enough swamp draining, plus he failed at other things but overall I give him an A for effort and changing the cultural landscape, all over the world right wing nationalism (not fascism which the left calls it) is surging thanks to him, Nigel Farage and others, plus seeing Europe fall into decay and America fall into decay from unmitigated immigration and terrible left wing policy is horrible

Masterofballs
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I consider myself a libertarian leaning anarchist. Government participation/membership should be voluntary in all regards.

Diarque
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I do not have the link available but I think that, even at one point, John Locke talked about the concept of voluntary citizenship, or implied that it should even be the case.

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